Views Sorting Gotchas: If using group by, also sort; and in all sorts make sure the field exists!

Interesting... you need to sort by the same field you group by, or on a paged view the grouping is done per page!

And in a different view, a different, dumber problem...

drupal views datestamp sort
drupal convert datestamp to date

Datestamp wasn't the problem. Trying to sort on a field that didn't exist for that node type was! It appears to react to nonsense by sorting randomly, which I guess is fair...