Fanning the fire....
Just to add fuel to that particular fire here on this site too :P
Why do people use two spaces after a period ?? WHEN THEY ARE USING A VARIABLE WIDTH FONT
and not a fixed width font !!!!!!
I cannot stress this enough! Back in the day when fonts had nothing to do with computers and mostly just type writers, every character had a fixed width of space that it would occupy, on a typewriter this was the width of that tiny stamp arm that slapped the page each time you hit a key. Thus started the practice of formatting text with two spaces after a period
Today, in the age of the iPhone every where you type something, you do it on a PC of some sort, and you have options... If you are using a fixed width font like Monaco, sure go ahead and keep adding your two spaces. because a comma will take up just as many pixels as an 'M'
including the empty space around it. BUT if you're using a variable width font, which most are these days, Arial, Times New Roman, then the two spaces practice is not necessary anymore. IT IS ALL DONE AUTOMATICALLY! in pretty much every text editor
You can keep being stubborn and believe what you want, but you'll be wrong, and people will stop talking to you.. well, maybe not, but you'll be wrong!
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This is an incredibly ignorant post from a web developer
You are wrong about all your facts, and it is of such vital importance that all periods at the end sentences be followed with two commas that it doesn't matter anyway, it must be done.
And of course the situation isn't just worse, it's insanely horrible in the web development world, because two spaces after a period or exclamation point will be COMPLETELY IGNORED!!!! Unless you put in a no break space in like I did.
So if every text editor and such can do this so easily, write a Drupal input filter that will format all posts' content to have two spaces after sentences, whether or not the person writing had the HONOR and DIGNITY to type two spaces.
Oh, and you're just like Hitler. But you thought that first. So you lose! Twice!
and who the hell puts two
who the hell puts two commas after a period anyway? who does that? seriously?
Like I said, fanning the
Like I said, fanning the flames....
My only mistake was that I said text editor instead of word processor. Just check your favorite one, M$ Word, whatever.... IT IS PART OF THE DESIGN TO SPACE CHARACTERS CORRECTLY!!! do you seriously think that a word processor is just a computerized typewriter?! If so, then why do two l's next to each look closer together in Times New Roman, and far apart in Monaco?
Hmm?
BECAUSE ONE IS VARIABLE WIDTH AND THE OTHER IS FIXED !!!
I won't resort to name calling because I know I am right ;)
http://www.webword.com/reports/period.html
(and in case you are too lazy (or too stuck in the past) to click this link (which can happen to those whose minds have been twisted by two spaces :P ) here's an excerpt)
AND,
to all those '2 spacers' out there --> familiarize yourself with the term 'kerning' you need to, trust me
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerning
and it's coming to browsers soon too, although slowly and it's crap right now --> http://opentype.info/blog/2008/06/14/kerning-and-opentype-features-in-firefox-3/
How dare you!
We use the two spaces after a period (as well as the question mark, exclamation point, and colon, mind you) because it's proper. I grew up the son of a legal secretary, and she beat into my being the tao of typing. Ever present on the computer desk was a copy of the Secretary's Handbook. The same reason we use complete words instead of text-messaging shortcuts like "lol" "idk" or "nvm". It's the same reason we take the time and effort to punctuate properly. It's the right thing to do. Oh, and just so you know, even though it won't show up in the comment, I'm double-spacing my periods as we speak.
HTML doesn't support the double-space after a period, but that's because it's lazy. The second space is ignored. To achieve the proper affect, you'd need to use two non-break spaces, which is clunky as hell. BUT, I DARE you to go into some word processor and on one line type "Hello. World" with one space, and on the next line type "Hello. World" with two spaces and I tell me there's no difference. You'll see it. I just did it in OpenOffice and yes, there IS a difference.
Consider the flames fanned, my friend.
you misunderstood me
"I grew up the son of a legal secretary, and she beat into my being the tao of typing. Ever present on the computer desk was a copy of the Secretary's Handbook."
times change my friend. 'river' effects are just one of many reasons...
AND THIS IS VERY VERY IMPORTANT
I never said that there would not be a difference if you add two spaces in openoffice as opposed to one. you misunderstood my post. What I said was word processors have KERNING, check your openoffice, you can even set the word processor kerning setting, as in IF YOU LIKE, YOU CAN HAVE THE WORD PROCESSOR ADD TWO SPACES AFTER A PERIOD AUTOMATICALLY!!!!! thus negating the need to actually TYPE TWO SPACES!!! Usually kerning is set to a little more than the width of one space. but not for fixed width fonts, like courier, only truetype fonts which store the specific information on spacing.
In the end you can believe what you want, it really doesn't matter to me. People are resistant to change, it's nothing new for a long time everyone stubbornly thought the earth was the center of the universe, that the earth was flat, etc. I am not really that passionate about this subject, I just think it's funny how so many people are :P
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If word processors and more importantly web pages
automatically added two spaces, we wouldn't need to fight for this. The small spaces used in variable width fonts, taking up less than a full letter-space, make it more important that sentence endings be demarcated with two spaces.
Worse, cell phone text messaging automatic capitalization gets confused when you use two spaces, when of course using two spaces instead of one makes sentence endings clearer. Fools.
We live under the thumb of the oppression of the lazy one-spacers.
Lol! Seriously though,
Lol! Seriously though, things usually progress and improve as time goes on. Cars become more efficient, people invent planes and stuff... do you have a problem with the phone automatically replacing "cant" with "can't" or automatically capitalizing the letter i, etc?
I mean, in the age of the android and iphone do you really think it's necessary to press a space button twice when you can just press it once and have the software know the circumstances and context of the space??
Are we really supposed to use typeset rules developed during the age of the typewriter on an iphone? Seems like a simple case of clinging to the ways of the past to me...
Btw, this comment was written on my android while walking in downtown Natick, I'd like to see you do that with one of your precious typewriters ;)
In the interest of
In the interest of togetherness and not turning this into another polarizing issue in the world, there really is no right and wrong here, just opinion. Many people out there probably agree with me, and I am sure many people disagree...
I have read many threads (this is a decent one --> http://typedesk.com/2005/07/14/the-double-space-debate/) about this subject and pretty much all of them end up with angry posts and a lot of name calling, let's not go there, it's not worth fighting over.
I originally wrote this post just to officially state my opinion on the matter, that is all. You are free to believe whatever you like.
there should only be ONE
there should only be ONE space. we are not using typewriters, folks!
get with the friggen program!
only people i know who use 2, are much older and learned on a typewriter.
face it, things change- ESPECIALLY technology.
get over it.
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